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Scottish Parliament Motion

Trident Debate 14 June 2007 motion and all amendments

 

At 5 pm on 14 June 2 Labour MSPs (Helen Eadie and Frank McAveety) were not present. The Presiding Officer did not vote. So there were 3 of the 129 MSPs who did not take part in any of the votes.

The links below are to details of the speeches and votes.

Motion S3M-169 from the Patrick Harvie (Green) said:

That the Parliament congratulates the majority of Scottish MPs for voting on 14 March 2007 to reject the replacement of Trident and calls on the UK Government not to go ahead at this time with the proposal in the White Paper, The Future of the United Kingdom’s Nuclear Deterrent.

There were speeches in support of the motion from Green MPSs Patrick Harvie and Robin Harper and from SNP MSPs Bruce Crawford, Bill Kidd, Christina McKelvie and Linda Fabiani (Minister for External Affairs). Malcolm Chisholm (Labour) also said he would support the motion.

There was no vote on the original wording. The Parliament agreed to the Liberal Democrat amendment (S3M-169.4), which added a phrase. The motion as amended was agreed - see below.

Amendment S3M-192.2 from Elaine Smith (Labour) said:

As an amendment to motion (S3M-169) in the name of Patrick Harvie, leave out "at this time".

This was supported in advance of the debate by Labour MSPs Marlyn Glen, Bill Butler, Pauline McNeill, Cathy Peattie and Malcolm Chisholm.

The Presiding Officer did not select this amendment for debate. Elaine Smith then asked for this to be considered as a motion without notice. The Presiding Officer did not allow this.

Elaine Smith and Malcolm Chisholm spoke in the debate

Amendment S3M-169.3 from Michael McMahon (Labour) said:

As an amendment to motion (S3M-169) in the name of Patrick Harvie, leave out from "congratulates" to end and insert "affirms that defence policy is, and should remain, the responsibility of the UK Parliament".

Had this amendment passed the Parliament would not have taken a position against the renewal of Trident.

There were speeches in favour of this amendment from Labour MSPs Michael McMahon, Jackie Baillie and John Park

The first vote was on this amendment. It was defeated. All Labour and Conservatives present voted for, a total of 60. All SNP, Liberal Democrat and Greens, plus the 1 Independent voted against, a total of 66. 3 did not vote.

Amendment S3M-169.1 from Murdo Fraser (Conservative) said:

As an amendment to motion (S3M-169) in the name of Patrick Harvie, leave out from "congratulates" to end and insert "notes that defence matters are wholly reserved to Scotland’s other Parliament at Westminster and that on 14 March 2007 a majority of MPs voted for the replacement of Trident".

Had this amendment passed the Parliament would not have taken a position against the renewal of Trident.

There were speeches for this amendment from Conservative MSPs Murdo Fraser and Jackson Carlaw.

The second vote was on this amendment. It was defeated. The 16 Conservatives voted for. 66 voted against, this included all SNP, Liberal Democrat and Greens, plus the 1 Independent and 2 Labour (Andy Kerr and Iain Gray). 42 Labour MSPs abstained. 3 MSPs did not vote.

Amendment S3M-169.4 from the Liberal Democrats said:

As an amendment to motion (S3M-169) in the name of Patrick Harvie, after "Trident" insert "recognises that decisions on matters of defence are matters within the responsibility of the UK Government and Parliament".

The amendment added this phrase but did not delete any of the original motion.

There were speeches in support of this amendment from Liberal Democrat MSPs Mike Rumbles, Jim Tolson and Iain Smith.

The third vote was on this amendment. It was agreed. All SNP, Liberal Democrat and Greens voted for, a total of 65. 18 voted against - all Conservatives plus 2 Labour (Iain Gray and Hugh Henry). 42 Labour and 1 Independent (Margo Macdonald) abstained. 3 did not vote.

Motion as amended

The fourth vote was on the motion as amended:

That the Parliament congratulates the majority of Scottish MPs for voting on 14 March 2007 to reject the replacement of Trident, recognises that decisions on matters of defence are matters within the responsibility of the UK Government and Parliament and calls on the UK Government not to go ahead at this time with the proposal in the White Paper, The Future of the United Kingdom’s Nuclear Deterrent

This was agreed.

71 MSPs voted for the motion. This included all SNP, Liberal Democrat and Greens, the 1 independent and 5 Labour (Bill Butler, Malcolm Chisholm, Marlyn Glen, Cathy Peattie and Elaine Smith). The 16 Conservative voted against. 39 Labour MSPs abstained. 3 MSPs did not vote.

Official record of complete debate.